If I was to give advice to myself when I was new to the game I would say to get good with Fish because the skills are so basic. I am saying that his roll is 1) a good ability to use to avoid damage, 2) good at helping people learn the basics of the game by assisting in evasion, and 3) has some subtle mechanics that are useful to experienced players. I'm not saying that people will pick up Fish and be instantly awesome with him. When I was new I loved Robot and got stuck in a head space of only using him for way too long (while ignoring the other characters). Also just because someone does not like a character does not make that character bad. You don't want to use the speed in small areas, but then there should not be a character ability that you want to spam all the time. It can allow you to get in some shots at Big Dog and then escape a wall of bullets easily. Besides, as I've said before, speed is not an issue in this game, controls are already responsive and fast enough to dodge the incoming bullet-hell. Take OP for example, if he considers himself to be a newbie and shows a clear dislike for Fish's roll, then we have a problem with the ability. Originally posted by Zelinar:Solid are you actually forgetting that Fish is supposed to be the first available character, along with Crystal, at release? it shouldn't be a character that requires a particularly high level of skill or knowledge to use. I think some people will never like Fish and that is fine, but to label his ability as "fundamentally broken" is also a bit much. If a new person asked me what character play I would tell them they can make quick progress with Crystal or the like, however Fish will help with the fundamentals. However is his ability useful in a tight spot? yes. Should you spam his ability or use it all the time? No. For more advanced players there are other tricks you can do like use the roll to get into melee range against Ravens so they can't shoot you. Yes, the bounce off walls thing can be annoying, but it is the price you pay for avoiding certain death at times.
With him as you build up the awareness to avoid some shots then he will make sure you evade them. The reason I say that is that is learning to dodge in this game, on paper the simplest thing ever, is one of the most important things you can pick up on. For them characters like Crystal may help them in the sort term, but will make them worse in the long term. The thing is that newer players are in a stage where they are learning about how the game works. I see why people don't like Fish's roll and I was in that camp for a while, but I've taken the counter position. Such characters should be newbie friendly. There's no question Dodge Roll is hard to use effectively, and Fish is a mascott of Nuclear Throne, a character unlocked at the start. The very idea is fundamentally broken, and the niche is already taken by Plant anyway! Scrap the ability and give Fish something else. I don't think it's possible to give Fish a useful ability based on moving fast in combat.
Rolling in combat does the opposite - it gives you LESS time to react, and without Throne Butt your character is impossible to steer. Fast reflexes and/or careful play are needed to survive. Nuclear Throne is not a game about kiting, and that's great. What am I supposed to do with that ? I mostly use it for backtracking, and judging by youtube vids I'm not alone.Įven the idea of abrupty increasing movement speed in combat is questionable. Honestly it looks like solution looking for a problem. I played various characters, and the roll ability of Fish is one of the worst.
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